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Post by Trizzle on Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:15 pm

https://www.occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/

Proposed list of demands. Help edit or discuss here.

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by CJefferson on Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:22 pm

http://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/7-demands-from-occupy-wall-street/

This list is probably the best list I have seen so far. We are not going to abolish the monetary system. That is unrealistic. But returning sound money is not. I urge you to read this list.

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by swayda on Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:08 pm

Suggested Demands

End the corporate socialism ( the wars, insane tax credits for billion dollar companies)

A constitutional amendment banning corporations from donating to political campaigns and political organizations.

Limit the maximum political contribution from one individual to one candidate to $100

Eliminate the electoral college system in favor of a national, popular vote system

Eliminate the 1-2 state a week primary system (Sorry Iowa and NH, but you shouldn't be picking our political candidates)

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by Trizzle on Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:23 am

ok i cleaned up this, we got off topic. i propose this list: edited with changes

Repeal of the patriot act

Eliminate Corprate rights as persons
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Forced Acquisition of the Federal Reserve for $1 Billion

Repeal the 16th ammendment

Re investigate the Attacks of 9-11-2001

Forgive all student loan debt

Restructure campaign finance Limits

End the War on Drugs

Require all Corporations to have Labour Representatives on company boards

National Repeal of Capital Punishment

Bring all Troops back from over seas

Nationalize Health Care

Free education Kindergarten through college

Reinstate Glass-Stegall Act

Outlaw Flash trading

Article V Constitutional Convention of All States

Equal Rights For All

Office of the Citizen

The United States must sign and ratify all human rights agreements with all other countries

Rights of victims must take precedent in courts

Prosecutions of the guilty



additions and subtractions welcome!



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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by swayda on Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:41 am

Agree with most of the things listed.

I think the 9/11 investigation should be removed, just my opinion, not that I have issue with an investigation, it just isn't really related to corporate greed and the 1% raping everyone else as far as I know. Too many of the 1% died in the attack for them to be involved. Seems off topic is all.

Don't know enough about the 16th amendment, would appreciate it if you told me more about your problem with it is.

Could you elaborate what you mean rights of victims in the courts. I think innocent until proven guilty is one of the few things still great about our country. I would rather 100 guilty people go free than one innocent man be falsely imprisoned. Just me, would appreciate input from others.

"Equal rights for women" should be changed to "equal rights for ALL." When you limit it to one or two groups(blacks, women, etc) it leaves the door open to exclusion. For example, the hate crime law doesn't specify gays, so hate crimes against gays can't be prosecuted against. Perhaps you can include common groups discriminated against, but it should be phrased "Equal rights for all, including but not limited to, women, minorities,...."

The rest of the things sound great though.

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by Trizzle on Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:14 am

ok i actually found that list on a facebook and thought it was a lot of great stuff and simple. Honestly i agree with your changes.

16th amendment is income tax code. It sucks. Its just intrest on debt paid to federal reserve. Was only introduced early 1900, everything was fine before then.

9/11 is related to the govt. they covered it up. its obvious with enough research. Maybe not a main issue but a strong one to me, and more. Thats why i say just reopen investigation.

Agree equal rights for all.

Also about the courts we know people with more money get better lawyers get off easier sentences. This needs to end.


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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by Augustus IV on Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:20 am

repeal the patriot act is a positive step. are they really going to go through with their demands and giving them to congress? when is this supposed to happen?

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by Gatorbait on Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:00 pm

Simplify the tax code, end corporate political donations, and re-align CEO pay with the rest of the world's expectations.

Just my 2 cents

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by Gatorbait on Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:01 pm

We should all check out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnGBQYOHo_k&feature=player_embedded

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by melittophily on Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:38 pm

there is no faster way to get ignored as a bunch of crackpots than to include 9/11 "truther" conspiracy theory. that's not part of any of the consensus statements of OWS and it shouldn't have any place here, except for you as an individual.

the purpose of this for now is to demonstrate solidarity with OWS and people there have already put a lot of work into their consensus demands.

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by Trizzle on Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:11 pm

idk maybe we should just go with the demands of ows. so every movement doesnt have different demends...

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by melittophily on Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:30 pm

I agree with that, it helps with coherency and to prevent the possibility of being co-opted into something quite divergent from OWS.

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by WandaLou on Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:17 pm

Rough draft... but here are issues I believe in....

1) Congressional term limits – 3 terms Congressman – 2 terms Senator – maximum of 26 years combined federal service Congressional and Executive Branch – professional politicians only care about their re-elections, lets take away the “I must keep my job” so that the minority cannot take away the voice of the majority

2) Reduce rules and regulations where it makes sense to accelerate commerce and stimulate jobs. We have too many rules created by too many special interests that benefit only a few – e.g. it should not take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to build a back country outhouse in a national forest; but it does due to rules.

3) Our healthcare system is completely broken. Period. Over 17% of our GDP goes to healthcare every single year, the highest percentage of GDP in the world. The average citizen pays/costs the health care system costs over $8,000 a year. Despite this, over 50 million Americans have no health insurance coverage. Amazingly, 60 % to 65% of the current spending for healthcare comes from the federal government from Medicare, Medicaid, TriCare, and Veterans Administration. We already have government provided healthcare – we cannot let fear stop this. No one in 21st century America should have to decide on medication or food, which finger to reattach after an injury, or die from a toothache. And that includes our retirees and our veterans; especially our veterans, who are volunteer citizen soldiers of which we have a Patriotic duty to support.

4) End corporate “private citizen” protection. Corporations have hidden behind this protection to break laws, abuse consumers, other business, and government alike, and throw mountains of special interest dollars at legislators at every level. We are a nation of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporate directors.

5) We must have massive campaign finance reform. We must take special interest, lobby, and PAC money out of elections and legislation at every level. We must not have any loopholes that allow charitable corporations, PAC, or shadow organizations to provide massive funding for pet projects that mostly benefit a small group, typically within a single corporation.

6) We need a comprehensive energy and transportation policy in this country utilizing both existing and future green technologies hand-in-hand. Our cities are blessed with sidewalks, roads, buses, subways and trains, but unreasonable fuel economy policies and green initiatives are squeezing those who live in rural areas, including those we depend on like farmers, with unrealistic expectations and expenses. A family farmer can barely compete today, add on the expense of manufactured congestion, manipulated fuel prices, and arbitrary CAFÉ standards, it only applies more pressure – no one is going to haul their tomatoes to market via a bicycle – and taking a Greyhound bus isn’t practical. We need a real policy for energy and transit that everyone can live with. Where cities can enjoy clean, modern efficient transit and commerce while reducing traffic – but not at the expense of one of our greatest gifts. The ease of mobility from point A to point B free of any restrictions.

Our tax structure is completely broken. The bloated, outdated IRS has massive administrative costs. The average citizen should not have to hire an accountant, consultant, or buy specialized software to prepare their annual tax return to assure they make no errors, and get the maximum benefit. The current overly complicated tax code, like so many other things in our government is riddled with perks and benefits for special interests, corporations and provides government interfere and influence into the free market economy. There should be a four tier tax system, and every citizen, regardless of income should make SOME contribution. No corporation, large or small, that makes a profit based on income generated in the United States, its territories, or its government branches, including overseas military operations and bases, should be exempt from paying taxes. There should not be any loopholes that any creative accountant, no matter how brilliant, can formulate to shelter corporations from their fair contribution to the well being of this nation.

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by lotus86flower on Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:22 pm

This one is from my good friend Jason, who is very educated on the Economic crisis and will eventually be one of the best speakers we have!

"My #1 demand, if i had to pick one, is clear. Prosecute Goldman Sachs and its partners on wall street for consciously committing fraud. It has been proven. The evidence is there. The mortgage crash was avoidable, our economy is the victim of a massive ponzi scheme that makes berney maddoff look like small potatoes. If they remain above the law we can't solve any problems. The message has to be sent that the LARGEST CRIMES are also going to be prosecuted, not just the crimes poor people do."
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9/11 very important and relevent

Post by JAXnow on Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:21 am

@Swayda,

"Too many of the 1% died" in 9/11? Which specific victim(s) were those? Do you understand how much money taxpayers spent on the police state and the wars this past decade? 9/11 was the event that ushered all this in (called a laid down false flag). And how can we forget 9/10/01, the day before. Sec Def, Donald Rumsfield announced the pentagon lost 2.3 trillion dollars. That's about 8 thousand dollars per man, woman and child. What corporation outside the federal government even has that?

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Post by melittophily on Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:32 am

you know what you need at least the appearance of when making "demands?"

leverage.

in solidarity with OWS and all occupy marches, there is a chance of having that. as a bunch of individual assemblies driven by individual egos to flesh out individual lists of "demands?" no, there really isn't.

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by newmoonlullaby on Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:23 am

I think that the use of the word "demands" undermines the whole purpose of our movement, which is to demonstrate peaceful opposition to the way our government is run. Rather than making a list of things that must be changed, we should follow suit with OWS and compile a list of grievances, things that we would like to see changed. That, to me, is less antagonistic and more likely to generate a positive response.

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Re: Proposed Demands

Post by LizzieDizzle on Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:39 pm

What about a living minimum wage, based on the local cost of living? Having a min wage of $7.25 just will not cut it for even one person, working full time.

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Post by Cass on Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:09 pm

LizzieDizzle wrote:What about a living minimum wage, based on the local cost of living? Having a min wage of $7.25 just will not cut it for even one person, working full time.

If you can get full time. Heaven forbid these fuckers lose a little profit to provide us healthcare or pay some taxes for the privilege of doing business in America.
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Post by LizzieDizzle on Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:11 pm

Absolutely. Paying $7.15 an hour, or even $8.50, $9, $10 an hour still keeps people in a cycle of poverty while enriching the wealth of the 1%. This has to change, people need and deserve a living wage.

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