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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by etu1972 on Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:52 am

I believe this forum was created to carry the Occupy movement progressively forward. If one is clearly, even admittedly, anti-Occupy and they offer only intentionally counter-productive input, then this is not the right forum for them.

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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by ironhorzmn on Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:17 am

What you 'believe' is irrelevant. That's not why this forum was 'created'.

The statement of purpose at the top of this page is as clear as it can be....with no room for advocating censorship or exclusion.

You don't want a 'discussion' or a 'debate'. You want a nice warm schmooze-fest without any intrusion of reality into your incestuous little worldview.

You keep trying to stifle disagreement. Your last several posts offered nothing constructive to the debates; only agitations to shut us up and shut us down.

If you ban us then your statement is a lie and your claims of 'tolerance' and 'inclusion' a mockery.

But I have no doubt you'll be able to resolve such inner conflicts the way liberals usually do...ignore the message and blame the messenger.


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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by ironhorzmn on Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:45 am

granny smith wrote:@ironhorzman

The WSJ article, which included the author's allleged unbiased poll, was an opinion piece by that author. The following paragraphs from the opinion piece confirm the author's bias.

Today, having abandoned any effort to work with the congressional super committee to craft a bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction, President Obama has thrown in with those who support his desire to tax oil companies and the rich, rather than appeal to independent and self-described moderate swing voters who want smaller government and lower taxes, not additional stimulus or interference in the private sector.

Rather than embracing huge new spending programs and tax increases, plus increasingly radical and potentially violent activists, the Democrats should instead build a bridge to the much more numerous independents and moderates in the center by opposing bailouts and broad-based tax increases.

Put simply, Democrats need to say they are with voters in the middle who want cooperation, conciliation and lower taxes. And they should work particularly hard to contrast their rhetoric with the extremes advocated by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.


Unbiased pollsters, in total contradiction of the author's contentions, confirm that Americans want jobs, want the rich to pay their fair share, and approve of OWS action. Americans' low opinion of Congress can be placed squarely in the hands of the Republicans. Here are the "accomplishments" of Republicans in Congress. They have introduced 99 bills on religion, 71 on family relationships, 36 on marriage, 67 on firearms/gun control, 522 on taxation, 445 on "government investigations" and ZERO on job creation. In addition they have blocked every effort that President Obamas has made to create jobs.

Your own bias is blantantly clear when you invoke the name of George Soros and other radical right talking points which have no basis in fact.

'ZERO bills on job creation'? Nice talking point, but no cigar.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47089

"The Republican-controlled House has passed 22 bills this year that were designed to strengthen the economy and boost jobs, only to watch them languish in the Senate, while Democrats have blamed them as a do-nothing Congress."

12 of these bills targeted excessive regulations that run jobs out of the US while five sought to increase energy production and independence.

Democrats have gutted Obama's 'American Jobs Act'. Their replacement for Obama's reckless and counterproductive class warfare also died in the Senate...a Democratic Senate.

Your claims are total bunk.

If you really want to talk about 'ZERO' there's only one person who fits that description. Obama.

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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by granny smith on Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:14 am

ironhorzmn wrote:
granny smith wrote:@ironhorzman

The WSJ article, which included the author's allleged unbiased poll, was an opinion piece by that author. The following paragraphs from the opinion piece confirm the author's bias.

Today, having abandoned any effort to work with the congressional super committee to craft a bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction, President Obama has thrown in with those who support his desire to tax oil companies and the rich, rather than appeal to independent and self-described moderate swing voters who want smaller government and lower taxes, not additional stimulus or interference in the private sector.

Rather than embracing huge new spending programs and tax increases, plus increasingly radical and potentially violent activists, the Democrats should instead build a bridge to the much more numerous independents and moderates in the center by opposing bailouts and broad-based tax increases.

Put simply, Democrats need to say they are with voters in the middle who want cooperation, conciliation and lower taxes. And they should work particularly hard to contrast their rhetoric with the extremes advocated by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.


Unbiased pollsters, in total contradiction of the author's contentions, confirm that Americans want jobs, want the rich to pay their fair share, and approve of OWS action. Americans' low opinion of Congress can be placed squarely in the hands of the Republicans. Here are the "accomplishments" of Republicans in Congress. They have introduced 99 bills on religion, 71 on family relationships, 36 on marriage, 67 on firearms/gun control, 522 on taxation, 445 on "government investigations" and ZERO on job creation. In addition they have blocked every effort that President Obamas has made to create jobs.

Your own bias is blantantly clear when you invoke the name of George Soros and other radical right talking points which have no basis in fact.

'ZERO bills on job creation'? Nice talking point, but no cigar.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47089

"The Republican-controlled House has passed 22 bills this year that were designed to strengthen the economy and boost jobs, only to watch them languish in the Senate, while Democrats have blamed them as a do-nothing Congress."

12 of these bills targeted excessive regulations that run jobs out of the US while five sought to increase energy production and independence.

Democrats have gutted Obama's 'American Jobs Act'. Their replacement for Obama's reckless and counterproductive class warfare also died in the Senate...a Democratic Senate.

Your claims are total bunk.

If you really want to talk about 'ZERO' there's only one person who fits that description. Obama.

Watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/lancebaxter#p/c/5F017A0E31588F76/0/wK1MOMKZ8BI

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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by friendofcash on Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:25 am

granny, iron man must not have anything to say to that. He's occupying too much of my head. I've read all his posts. He's gotta be gettin' paid.

Peace, Sister ...

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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by ironhorzmn on Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:16 pm


granny smith wrote:
ironhorzmn wrote:
granny smith wrote:@ironhorzman

The WSJ article, which included the author's allleged unbiased poll, was an opinion piece by that author. The following paragraphs from the opinion piece confirm the author's bias.

Today, having abandoned any effort to work with the congressional super committee to craft a bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction, President Obama has thrown in with those who support his desire to tax oil companies and the rich, rather than appeal to independent and self-described moderate swing voters who want smaller government and lower taxes, not additional stimulus or interference in the private sector.

Rather than embracing huge new spending programs and tax increases, plus increasingly radical and potentially violent activists, the Democrats should instead build a bridge to the much more numerous independents and moderates in the center by opposing bailouts and broad-based tax increases.

Put simply, Democrats need to say they are with voters in the middle who want cooperation, conciliation and lower taxes. And they should work particularly hard to contrast their rhetoric with the extremes advocated by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.


Unbiased pollsters, in total contradiction of the author's contentions, confirm that Americans want jobs, want the rich to pay their fair share, and approve of OWS action. Americans' low opinion of Congress can be placed squarely in the hands of the Republicans. Here are the "accomplishments" of Republicans in Congress. They have introduced 99 bills on religion, 71 on family relationships, 36 on marriage, 67 on firearms/gun control, 522 on taxation, 445 on "government investigations" and ZERO on job creation. In addition they have blocked every effort that President Obamas has made to create jobs.

Your own bias is blantantly clear when you invoke the name of George Soros and other radical right talking points which have no basis in fact.

'ZERO bills on job creation'? Nice talking point, but no cigar.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47089

"The Republican-controlled House has passed 22 bills this year that were designed to strengthen the economy and boost jobs, only to watch them languish in the Senate, while Democrats have blamed them as a do-nothing Congress."

12 of these bills targeted excessive regulations that run jobs out of the US while five sought to increase energy production and independence.

Democrats have gutted Obama's 'American Jobs Act'. Their replacement for Obama's reckless and counterproductive class warfare also died in the Senate...a Democratic Senate.

Your claims are total bunk.

If you really want to talk about 'ZERO' there's only one person who fits that description. Obama.

Watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/lancebaxter#p/c/5F017A0E31588F76/0/wK1MOMKZ8BI

You're joking. A character actor operating an amateur YouTube opinion channel is your source??

Here is a small sample of his other statesmanlike YouTube efforts:

'Andrew Breitbart Grateful For Penis'

'Glen Beck Discovers Fisting'

'The GOP Vagina'

'Teabagger Boogie'

My God. Is THIS what you consider 'debate'? How shallow and petty this is. I give up.

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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by granny smith on Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:59 pm

Horseman, criticize the message, not the messenger. Oh that's right you said

I give up..
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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by Shank on Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:14 am

banned if he wasn't already. we don't need that shit on our boards.
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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by lotus86flower on Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:03 pm

I just skimmed over what everyone has said on this and I just wanna say.... how can our country ever come together at this point?! We are so divided on EVERYTHING based on LIBERAL views and CONSERVATIVE views. A liberal can't even have an educated discussion with a conservative. Its always ugly on both sides, mostly coming from the conservatives but they are fed by the media because they buy into it way to much. Our country might as well be seperated into two halves and the Progressive side can move foward as it wishes to and the Closed-minded side and stay as it is or roll backwards as its been trying to do. Seriously? And yes, there are MANY protestors who think in the end, violence will be the only way to accomplish anything. This is because that is the way it has always been throughout history. You want freedom? You have to FIGHT for it. How can the protestors be expected to turnt he other cheek when a cop abused his authority and fractures an innocent persons skull?!
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Re: Disturbing Trends among OWS Protestors

Post by Shank on Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:45 pm

^ cheers
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