Should we OCCUPY (as they're doing on WALL ST.) or VISIT Hemming Plaza

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Should we OCCUPY (as they're doing on WALL ST.) or VISIT Hemming Plaza

Post by beelzebub on Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:47 pm

Question:
1. Should we OCCUPY Part-time, on weekends downtown when it's essentially a ghost-town, out of sight of the public, OR
2. Should we OCCUPY Hemming Plaza Full-time, when the politicians are there and downtown is bustling with activity (like the OCCUPY WALL ST. folks are doing)?

Which do you think you would be more effective? And why?

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Re: Should we OCCUPY (as they're doing on WALL ST.) or VISIT Hemming Plaza

Post by beelzebub on Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:48 pm

Beel's Dictionary (adapted from Merriam-Webster's)

Definition of OCCUPY
transitive verb
1: to engage the attention or energies of (as in "the city of Jax")
2a : to take up (a place or extent in space) <this Plaza is occupied> <the 99% will occupy the plaza across from City Hall>
2b : to take or fill (an extent in time) <the protest occupies all of my free time>
3a : to take or hold possession or control of <the 99% occupied the plaza>
3b : to fill or perform the functions of (an office (American) or position (protester))
4: to reside in as an owner or tenant (of Hemming Plaza)

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Re: Should we OCCUPY (as they're doing on WALL ST.) or VISIT Hemming Plaza

Post by beelzebub on Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:49 pm

VISIT
intransitive verb
1
: to make a visit; also : to make frequent or regular visits
2
: chat, converse <enjoys visiting with the neighbors>

Examples of VISIT

She is visiting her friends in Hemming Plaza.
When are you coming to visit?
He is visiting a client in Phoenix.
She visits her doctor regularly.
I would like to visit Hemming Plaza today and then go home.
City officials visited the crowd and then went home.
Our town was once visited by freedom.

Is it just me or does VISIT Jacksonville just not sound strong enough?

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Post by nonparty on Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:35 pm

I think visit as there is no private venue that I know of downtown to use with permission of the owners.

To Occupy the park by staying is not going to last more than a day. You know the police.

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Post by AddHope on Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:02 pm

The next step in this movement might be a fundraiser that could be used to send delegates to Occupy Wall St. This would bypass the need for any city to risk 'Occupying' a park in protest, while also allowing people who are unable to participate locally to be represented, as well as(possibly most importantly) establishing NYC and OWS as the base of operations in the r(evolution). Think 1770's Continental Congress. With the use of internet and social media, these delegates would be able to report and receive feedback instantly. Any thoughts?

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Post by friendofcash on Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:28 pm

I think we should Occupy within the law. If there is a curfew, come back as soon as we can in the mornings. When you need a break, try to get at least one person to represent us. I could do that.

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Post by ZachAddair on Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:23 pm

I move that we should start setting a time to meet there every single day and help it grow by going as many days as we can during the week and weekend. If we keep this up, soon enough we have enough people that there will be someone there every single day at every single hour.

Let's Occupy Jacksonville by making our public square a public square: of public betterment; of the spreading of ideas for the public good and welfare; and for connecting us to this bigger movement of the spreading of good ideas and public betterment!
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I'm going to be at the plaza tomorrow and Friday at 1 pm.

Post by friendofcash on Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:27 am

I can be there at 1 pm tomorrow and Friday. Curfew is just an annoying obstacle. I think people are allowed to enter the plaza at sunrise and stay until sundown. Get core people to commit to a schedule and make sure people are there. Don't we need to get in touch with the Education and Empowerment Team. Or would it be the Event Team. The Tech Team and the Media Team will need to know what we're doing. I'm going at 1 tomorrow.

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Post by ZachAddair on Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:35 pm

I'm going to show up at 12 tomorrow (Saturday) if anyone wants to join me! It's gonna be a big day Smile
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Post by Toaster on Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:23 am

two ways we could successfully occupy a location
1)find a property owner who will allow us to occupy their space

2)strength in numbers, 200+ people who sit down and say "NO we are not moving"
while it is still possible for that many people to be arrested, the more people the more difficult. We have already (and very successfully) shown that we are peaceful, that we are cautious, and we are courteous.
with all that proven and in mind, i see it being a very bad PR move for JSO to round everyone up in paddy wagons
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Post by DaJollyRogers on Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:58 am

From personal experience, JSO only cares about reputation for so long. If you've watched the News Interviews, even though on the surface they aren't condescending, there's definitely a level of dismissal of our cause and our members as cretins and low-lifes, so they wouldn't get all that much back-lash from arresting all of us. Illegally occupying, especially in Jacksonville, with less than like, one-thousand people, probably isn't going to happen. Contact business owners and property-owners in strategic areas to find out if anyone would let us use their land, and then we'll pass it off to the Legal team to find out any laws that exist beyond the jurisdiction of the land-owners.
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Post by friendofcash on Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:38 am

I appreciate the encouragement we have gotten from JSO at our meetings and protection during our walks. JSO is providing us a valuable service.

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Post by ZachAddair on Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:25 pm

DaJollyRogers wrote:From personal experience, JSO only cares about reputation for so long. If you've watched the News Interviews, even though on the surface they aren't condescending, there's definitely a level of dismissal of our cause and our members as cretins and low-lifes, so they wouldn't get all that much back-lash from arresting all of us. Illegally occupying, especially in Jacksonville, with less than like, one-thousand people, probably isn't going to happen. Contact business owners and property-owners in strategic areas to find out if anyone would let us use their land, and then we'll pass it off to the Legal team to find out any laws that exist beyond the jurisdiction of the land-owners.
Quoted for truth!

We need to realize we are not safe from arrest, and in an area a BIT more intolerant than NEW YORK, we need to watch our asses.
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